posted by
quinn222 at 10:44am on 11/07/2009
Sorry, more TW
Change out Gwen for Ianto in that scene. Kill her off. At lease half the fanbase will not even care, Jack will still be devastated, they get to make the point even more clearly that anyone could die. She can have Jack tell Rhys she loves him. Then go on and leave ep 5 (horrific as it was) with Ianto in the Gwen role. She didn't actually do anything other than what he would normally have done anyway. We get to the last five minutes. Jack is still devastated. Ianto gives him his vortex manipulator. Jack heads for the stars.
Tell me you wouldn't watch Season 4 then?
I'd buy a new TV, I'd stock up on popcorn. I'd be counting down the days and watching my DVDs over and over again. I'd be relishing every fanfic, even the bad ones.
Talk about fucking up an opportunity.
Change out Gwen for Ianto in that scene. Kill her off. At lease half the fanbase will not even care, Jack will still be devastated, they get to make the point even more clearly that anyone could die. She can have Jack tell Rhys she loves him. Then go on and leave ep 5 (horrific as it was) with Ianto in the Gwen role. She didn't actually do anything other than what he would normally have done anyway. We get to the last five minutes. Jack is still devastated. Ianto gives him his vortex manipulator. Jack heads for the stars.
Tell me you wouldn't watch Season 4 then?
I'd buy a new TV, I'd stock up on popcorn. I'd be counting down the days and watching my DVDs over and over again. I'd be relishing every fanfic, even the bad ones.
Talk about fucking up an opportunity.
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Certainly, I would be much happier now.
I HATE ENDINGS
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Torchwood has always been about the character interactions to me, not plot or even the characters per se. Jack, Ianto, and Gwen trying to integrate new team members? Dramatic (and comedic) potential all around, as they try (and probably fail) to react to the new people as individuals instead of ersatz Toshes and Owens.
Ianto left, again, as the sole survivor? No. First of all, I don't even know how you could write the character. He would have to be either a basket case or Mr. Super-Repression-Man to rebuild Torchwood alone after seeing it destroyed for a second time, after being (almost) the only survivor for a second time.
Second, the character interactions would be greatly reduced. Each of the original five character had a unique relationship with each of the other five, and another different relationship when you have three or more interacting at the same time. (For example, Owen and Tosh act react differently when it's the two of them than if you add in Gwen, Ianto, or Jack, and each of those three changes the dynamic in a slightly different way.) With the "Ianto Show," most of the interaction would change to variants of "Ianto plus Newbie" unless the newbies were well-known secondary characters, which isn't terribly realistic. It could be done, with really good writers, but it wouldn't be easy.
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i also don't believe it is set up for gwen to be torchwood
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if ianto had lived, i don't see jack doing what he did afterward, not with ianto there with him
he could send gwen away so he could do the difficult part, but ianto never would have let him
HOWEVER, if ianto had lived the ending could have been SO much different
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